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Monday, July 18, 2005

Top 10 Ways of Identifying a LL Partner

Here's my TOP 10 ways to identify a Low Libido (LL) person...

First off, the odds of landing a LL guy or a guy who will have a substantial low libido problem at some point in your relationship is about 20%, which is way higher than most folks think. This is based on some of the research I've read. Sorry I don't have the citations, but check the Journal of Marital and Family Counselling for starters.

FYI, the odds of landing a similarly LL wife (or one that will turn out LL) for the guys is 60% based on the same research. Give or take 5%.

While predicting who is and who isn't going to be LL is difficult, I have seen some common themes from being on the low libido board for 5+ years. A Low Libido (LL) person typically:

1. Has no time or inclination towards sexual topics, items or subjects. This could be porn, lingerie, certain T.V. shows, books, pictures, etc. It does nothing for them, or precious little. If this is true for your guy, beware. Double beware if they are turned-off and disgusted by any or all of the above. Porn is controversial, but guys are generally more accepting and responsive.

2. Has no sexual fantasies. This is huge and consistent. Most of us, when we ask our LL spouses what their sexual fantasies are, they report that they don't really have any. Or have very few or something very tame, like sex in a water bed or something. Not all fantasies have to come true (like three-somes) but sexually healthy people do have fantasies and have them on a regular basis. They don't have to work on thinking about sex. To a high libido person, thinking and fantasizing are as natural as gravity.

3. Thinking, talking and having sex is a chore. Generally, LL folks lose energy when they have to relate on a sexual level, and they tire of it easily and quickly. HL generally gain energy as the level of sexual tension increases. Sex increases the well-being of people with high sexual thresholds, and not having sex bothers and hurts them on many, many levels.

4. Low libido people are generally easily and quickly satiated. Read an article below concerning LL from a sensory integration framework for more detail. In a nutshell, after having sex, the LL person will be satisfied for a longer period of time. They get irritated in a major way if they just finish having sex (meaning it was just an hour, a day, a week or even a month ago) and their partner tries to initiate again too soon. For HL folks, the more they have, the more they seem to want.

5. The LL person will generally have more boundaries and limitations on sexual practices. There are a slew of us on here who have partners who refuse to have oral sex with us. Some are okay with giving and more are okay with receiving, but it is almost universal that our LL partners will have some aversion to oral sex in some way. Or in any way, as in the case with my DW. The absence of variety and kinkiness may relate to the dearth of a fantasy life for LL people. 69ing is not a regular component of the menu for any of us HL CL folks.

6. Kissing. There are a bunch of us who have partners who refuse to give us open-mouthed or long, deep, passionate kisses. If your fiance isn't looking for your tonsils (in apparent sexual frustration) I'd be concerned. But that's just me.

7. Initiating. This is also a sore spot, as most HL people on this board complain that if they don't intiate, nothing is going to happen. Or they have given up, simply because they have been turned down so often. The LL partner generally intiates on an infrequent basis, if at all.

8. Talking about sex is different. The LL partner generally talks about "giving it up" or "giving the person sex" or "giving in", and refers to the other partner as the one "getting it" as in "I just gave you some (last month), and I can't believe you are interested in getting it again!" While the HL person may use similar language, such as "Pleeeze?! Can I pleeeeze have a little somethin'?" they are more likely to refer to it as a shared experience. The HL partner's fantasy includes being with someone who truly enjoys being with them, finds them sexually exciting really, really wants to jump their bones and responds with lust, desire and passion. All of these components indicate a more shared experience from the HL standpoint. Our partners frequently view it from the standpoint of enduring it and wanting to get it over with.

9. Sex is not worth the effort. Often there are many obstacles to having sex, including work, schedules, physical stress, children, intramarital tensions and other factors that make sex a goal that seems far away. For the LL person, there is a very finite amount of energy that should be expended towards sex. If there are conflicts or obstacles, sex quickly gets put on the back burner. Circumstances sometimes warrant this, but the HL partner will almost always find ways of overcoming or working around these obstacles. The LL person will allow circumstances control and ultimately crowd out time, energy or thoughts of sex. They are often too tired for sex. The HL is more often too tired of NOT having sex!

10. Hostility towards discussing the topic. Generally, the LL folks regard having to discuss the clashing libido issue as pressure, which leads to #9. They will generally avoid the subject and definitely avoid discussing the problem or deny that there is one at all. Included in this is shifting responsibility back to the other partner. The problem should be a *shared* concern, not just a matter of fixing one person or the other. Chances are, both partners have contributed and both need to be involved in mending the relationship.

5 Comments:

  • My boyfriend is about 7 of these things. He teeters for #1, as he likes porn but could care less about me in lingerie.

    By Blogger So Gone Over You, at 7/19/2005 08:25:00 AM  

  • After reading this, all I could think was "how do you know my husband?!" You hit it right on the nail. I love my husband so much, and am extremely sexually attracted to him, and I know he's attracted to me. We're about 17 years apart in age, so I expected SOME difference in lidibos, but after a while this "abstinence" is getting old (literally, I guess - ha!). Seriously, though, usually he says he doesn't want to have sex because it'll wear him out, and he doesn't want to get that tired. I don't get this -- if you do it right before you go to bed, you end up in the perfect spot if you're tired -- already in bed!

    We are so night and day when it comes to sex drive, I want it everyday, maybe twice a day -- and he seems content with about once every three to four weeks. Need I say more? When we do make love, and he's feeling totally in the mood, it's truly wonderful and I'm totally satisfied, but now I want to try new ways of making love (practice makes perfect), and talk about our fantasies -- and he acts as if I want to discuss drowning puppies. I am at my wits end -- I understand that it's not gonna happen every day, but twelve times a month would be better than twelve times a year. What's a girl to do with a LL husband? HELP!!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8/29/2005 05:20:00 AM  

  • Digger, just so you know - I posted this list on my own blog (with you credited, of course) within the context of relationships that are kink/vanilla.
    Incompatible Defense

    Very insightful. I don't even know how I happened to find it.

    Tom Allen
    The Edge of Vanilla

    By Blogger Tom Allen, at 11/12/2006 09:28:00 AM  

  • I just came across this (kinda late, i know)

    Dude, you are right on. I'd say you should be telling some therapists some stuf with this. i kept reading saying "Yes! Right on!"

    Well done.

    By Blogger FATSO, at 3/08/2007 09:11:00 PM  

  • I read the description, and concluded that I am a L.L. married to a H.L., and it is exhausting me!
    Desperately trying to keep up, I acquired hormones (which do decrease with age and STRESS) and use video porn on the internet to get in the mood. Ignoring the situation would be selfish and cruel. Besides...he is so sexy clothed that it would be a cryin shame to ignore him naked :)!!

    By Blogger mistressusan, at 11/04/2007 05:21:00 PM  

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